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 Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: Erotic literature |
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Pure Essence
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Erotic literature is not something easily defined or accepted by society. There is most definitely a difference of opinion in people's minds between what porn is and what erotica is. Sex is one of the most difficult and controversial topics in society today.
The line between erotica and porn is often blurred, as the debate between erotica goes on throughout the net.
Erotica writing recognizes both the sexual and the romantic impulses in love making. Erotica is truly a gene of its own.
What do you think of erotic literature? Do you consider it to be porn?
I'd like to know people's opinions regarding this.
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I would call it sophisticated porn, or perhaps just one step away from being porn. Just my opinion.
In bygone years, a couple would enter a motel room. They would embrace and kiss. She would moan sweetly and say "Don't forget to hang the Do Not Disturb sign." Or variations of that. Now every reader--or moviegoer--knew exactly what they were going to do, and played it out in their mind's eye. Boring descriptions weren't necessary.
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I disagree with you, though I realize that one persons erotica is another persons porn. I think that there is an intimacy that is in erotica that just isn't in porn. I think that Erotica literature looks at sex as something beautiful. Porn is very blunt. Erotica writing paints a picture in ones mind, where porn is right there in your face. There is no romance in porn. I think that so many have been blinded by the taboo aspects of sex and real porn that they can not look at except erotica literature for what it is, physical beautiful love.
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The erotic, which has been a strong need/passion in my life and requires a separate story all its own to go into the detail this need warrants, fits nicely into Maslow's first level of needs: what he calls physiological needs. I have a health problem, relating to the physiological needs of my neurological system. The several manifestations of manic-depression relate to the failure to satisfy this need. Maslow's theory is, I find, explanatory, and I leave it to readers to relate Maslow, his theory and his ideas to their own lives: their needs and passions, wants and desires.
I could go into an elaborate explanation of my own experience drawing on Maslow. But that is not my purpose here. There are, in addition, other theorists of personality and of human development who are helpful for autobiographers and I mention them from time to time in the course of this text. With more than 2300 hundred pages left to read, only readers who perist with this narrative will be exposed to the various theorists I draw upon to give text and texture to this my life--and its erotic comonents.
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The passion of writing obviously lasts far longer than any single erotic act or collection of them, at least for those writers who keep at it over their lifetime. Both writing and love-making chart the intersection of multiple and often contradictory points of view, different concepts of community and interpersonal understandings and levels of social integration. At one level it all seems so easy, so natural, so organic, love-making and writing that is. At another level both processes are complex, a source of both angst and pleasure and both can, in the end, come to nothing.
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Sully
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Rose wrote: |
| I disagree with you, though I realize that one persons erotica is another persons porn. I think that there is an intimacy that is in erotica that just isn't in porn. I think that Erotica literature looks at sex as something beautiful. Porn is very blunt. Erotica writing paints a picture in ones mind, where porn is right there in your face. There is no romance in porn. I think that so many have been blinded by the taboo aspects of sex and real porn that they can not look at except erotica literature for what it is, physical beautiful love. |
I see this as a good example of how two different readers might have differing views of the same story. Describing a sex scene in a romance might be somewhat the same as describing how a time machine works in a scifi story. Where some readers might enjoy the descriptions, others would skip over them.
BTW: I do enjoy an erotic sex scene when I'm a participant... LOL |
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Bahaichap
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: Erotica and Pornography |
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Thanks Sully for your reply,
I must confess that I rarely, if ever, read fiction in any form. Nor do I read erotic literature in any form. But even in my 60s the words of W.B. Yeats ring for me. This Irish writer-poet W.B. Yeats was less than two years from his death when he wrote about “what he imagined was the hormonal floodtide of his second puberty”, a late-flowering passion. He was 72 at the time. So insistent were his sexual desires in the evneing of his life that he believed he “would break down under the strain.”(1) He was still trying to forge the three interests of his poetry into an organic unity. -Ron Price with thanks to (1) Stephen Coote, W.B. Yeats: A Life, Hodder and Stoughton, London, 1997, p.553.
While you were telling us in your
colourful, clever way that we might:
think it horrible that lust and rage
Should dance in attendance upon your old age;
and that:
They were not such a plague when you were young;
What else have you to spur you into song?1
and that:
we were hurtling towards our destruction,
unsavable by any modern creed,
with nothing to make the truth known.
Your task was to rage, be defiant, to assert
a moral force and in the process hammer
the occult, politics and poetry
into one harmonious tour de force,2
in the foul rag and bone shop of the heart,3
.....we were laying a firm anchorage
for the Administrative Order
in that initial stage in the unfoldment
of ‘Abdu’l-Baha’s vision,4 so quietly,
so gently, so very unobtrusively
for the spiritual conquest of the planet:
as the night descended deeper and deeper
and you died and civilization was again
getting through by the skin of its teeth.5
1 W.B. Yeats, quoted in W.B. Yeats: A Life, Stephen Coote, Hodder and Stoughton, London, 1997, p.553.
2 ibid., p.571.
3 ibid.p.565.
4 The Seven Year Plan: 1937-1944.
5 Kenneth Clark, Civilization, Pelican, NY, 1969, p.28.
Ron Price ....enough for now.
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:03 am Post subject: Have difficutly reading erotic poetry |
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I have trouble reading it for maybe a strange reason. Being a victim of childhood molestation, as well as having a mother who drilled into me that sex was dirty, has damaged what should be a wonderful and enjoyable part of marriage for me.
Even being a Christian, I feel there is still a place for erotic expression in the form of poetry. For me it represents sex as it should be, and I hope some day I can read it and be comfortable with it.
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: Re:Erotic Lit |
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When people think of Erotica they do sometimes think porn. The one thing many never understand is that erotica is an art form of writing and more sensual compared to the boom chaka chaka. For instance Luis Royo is an artist. His work contains mostly nude women and beast forms mind you these are usually more erotic than just pics.
I have to say that erotica is more a passion. I would much rather read erotica than watch the boom chaka chaka. 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: Erotica v porn |
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I'm not sure if I'll be made welcome here - being a writer at the harder end of this subject.
But just by way of a personal observation, If i'm reading a 'sexy' (for want of a better word) book I don't particularly want the story to get in the way too much but if i'm reading a mainstream novel i'm likely to skip the sex bits - as they tend to get in the way of the story.
I don't consider what I write to be porn. I put a lot of effort into making my books as good a read as posible for the market they are aimed at.
I thnk there are more restrictions put on writers of sex than writers of horror. You can describe scenes of horific blood, guts and perversion and sell it at Amazon but sex has to be hidden away. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Rose wrote: |
| I disagree with you, though I realize that one persons erotica is another persons porn. I think that there is an intimacy that is in erotica that just isn't in porn. I think that Erotica literature looks at sex as something beautiful. Porn is very blunt. Erotica writing paints a picture in ones mind, where porn is right there in your face. There is no romance in porn. I think that so many have been blinded by the taboo aspects of sex and real porn that they can not look at except erotica literature for what it is, physical beautiful love. |
I agree with this description. There is erotic literature that celebrates the good bad ugly and just plain wierd in human beings. And then there is porn which is just...well it leaves nothing to the imagination and doesn't let you personalize anything the way a good "thigh burner" (as my ER nurse mom calls it) scene.
There are all shades of erotic literature...but I think that the main theme about erotic literature vs porn is that erotica has an underlying current of respect between the two parties whereas in porn, it seems to me to be more about usuary in whatever way by both parties. |
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To me, erotic writings are like making love
porn is just raw, lackluster animalistic sex
I too was raised by a super prude mother.
Thankfully I've overcome most of those archaic instructions and have
learned how to allow my soul as well as my body to breathe and enjoy life.
Caution is the key!
I write several genre's and admittedly, erotic short stories are my favorites to write.
I put more energies into the plot line than I do the romance but the romance is there.
Also there are different degrees of explicity with erotica from shy and retiring to outright brazen.
Much like the personalities of humans we know and love and accept every day.
I had plans to sell them in e-book form but with all the free for the reading sites out there this may not work so well.
I would welcome any opinion on this idea.
I'm almost willing to bet that everyone on this site knows someone who is into erotica but they just keep it to themselves because of the stigmatism that comes with it. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Hmm,
Perhaps the line between porn and erotic is the individual who reads it, one of the most beautiful erotic writing I ever read was in fact in the bible contained in the Song of Solomon. I mean no disrespect to the bible…
I write erotic stories and in fact they do very well on the sight I have them posted…I am like this with whatever you read or write if you yourself, are comfortable with it, then by all means read and write it. As long is it is not demeaning, or illegal in its nature, and it does not hurt anyone.
I would never post my erotic tales here on Today’s Woman; this is not the forum for that sort of writing. I did at one time post an excerpt of a story I was writing sort of an autobiography of my troubled youth.
It had some rather strong language in it, some liked it and other’s it offended. I removed that story out of respect for the person(s) that it may have offended…I have since toned down the language, because thou it was written from my diaries from that time in my life….The story is better with out the garbage talk, some of it is still there.
Synopsis The Line between Erotic and Porn, is determined by the individual reading it..
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The line between erotica and porn will be drawn first by the author; second by the reader. I think erotica is kinder and gentler than porn. More beautiful, loving descriptive terms and language. Porn is raw and "in your face " sex.
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I have a taste for romantic fiction and have no doubt that erotic descriptions of love scenes give the author a very powerful tool for exploring the emotional and psychic worlds of the characters. The best erotic writing is not about the mechanics of sex, everyone knows and understands that I think, but more about getting inside the heads of lovers. Romantic love is after all one of the most powerful forces on the planet!
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I realize that this might be a dead topic, but seeing it made me start to think, as a writer and as a reader.
Anne Rice's Vampire novels and the Sleeping Beauty triology. The SB books were straight up erotica, with a vivid storyline but blantent sex, and very graphic sex to boot. The vampire novels could be looked at as a type of erotic novel in that there is a sensualness to it felt by the characters.
That said she is still one of my favorite authors. I am also a big fan of Marion Zimmer-Bradley the author of Mysts of Avalon as well as many other books. Mysts was a King Arthur story but it had some sexy scenes in it, and they fit the book as well as the storytelling of it. I have also read some books from newer authors, who seem to be putting more detail into sex scenes than every before. One book I picked up actually shocked me at the language, with F bombs being dropped and slang terms for body parts being used. Not that I object to these things, but I wasn't expecting it when I first read it.
To me the sex scenes, whether in a labled erotic novel or in a regular novel, do not make the book. What makes a book for me good, is it's ability to transport me into those characters world...for me to feel what the characters are feeling...for me to completely lose the fact that I am reading a book! I want the words to transport, to come to life off the page and in my mind. If the sex scene is well written and fits the story, then it belongs there, detail and all. If it appears, like some movies do, to just be thrown in there for the sake of having a sex scene, then it does nothing for the book and shows that the writers wasn't all that good.
I am re-reading Mysts of Avalon for the fourth time, in hopes of picking up on some of her writing skills, but I find myself so drawn into the book that I can't focus on how the sentences are structured or what kind of wording is used! To me this is a sign of a great book, sex scenes and all.
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